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I still can't figure it out. It just seems to randomly curve away from where I want it to go. It gets boring to lose every time, so I just gave up. Could use a difficulty setting.

Apple had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the world of virtualization and the idea of macOS running on anything besides "metal built by Apple." They've been pretty clear for decades that they only care about customers who buy Apple aluminum and silicon.

Well, but their customers are those that buy Apple hardware.

Alan Dye here. I'm coming back to Apple, and the next versions of the operating systems will not even have visible controls or icons. You just have to click on the beautiful, clear windows and hope you're interacting with the right UI elements.

Steve Ballmer here, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!

DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS. DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS. WHOOOOOOOOOO!!!

also, where is the new version of Visual Basic, Ballmer? Your sweaty chants can only distract me for so long…. Wait….. ITS BEEN TWENTY YEARS!?!?


Cave Johnson here. I'll be honest, we're throwing science at the wall here to see what sticks. No idea what it'll do. Probably nothing. Best-case scenario, you might get some superpowers.

Scott Forstall here. I’ll resign before I apologize for the choices we make at Apple. All our research shows you’re gonna love it, and if you say you don’t it’s because you’re wrong, not me.

"Government shouldn't help people" is such a bizarrely popular take in the USA.

As I understand it the key Republican discovery was that their voters prioritize making people they don't like suffer over their own comfort.

That probably doesn't seem rational but remember loads of these people think the Bible is a true story.


> their voters prioritize making people they don't like suffer over their own comfort.

> That probably doesn't seem rational but remember loads of these people think the Bible is a true story.

Those are the (sizeable) subset who are obsessed with a literal interpretation of the Old Testament rather than the turn-the-other-cheek teachings of Christ, who is little more than a totem for these fundamentalists.

Arguably there is less harm in believing that Christ's ministry was historical than believing that Sodom and Gomorrah were historical.


"Two thousand years ago there was this dude saying 'Be excellent to one another'" is certainly less dangerous, but to be fair the same dude described in the Bible does likewise say:

"I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Which like, you don't need to twist that very hard to get to a place where you're going around "bringing the sword" to people who you think need it...

The Old Testament is big on genocide though, "We should definitely murder these children" has a lot more justification at the start of the book, or if you're batshit and think that stuff about Revelation, right at the end is a concrete prediction of future events then maybe that too.


I think the actual sentiment is closer to "first, do no harm" (a.k.a. the precautionary principle) which is not nearly as bizarre!

That might be the noble aspiration that lives only inside their head, while outwardly the sentiment seems to look more like "make the government harmful so we can justify making it smaller."

Which would be laudable if that was what is actually happening. In practice it looks more like DOGE: setting every part of the government you don't understand or emotionally dislike on fire. Meanwhile, large corporate sponsors are allowed to do immeasurable harm without any oversight whatsoever.

We need to Make Billionaires Millionaires Again.

I don't want to hear anyone talk about "fraud in government spending" until the defense department passes an audit.

This kind of vague innuendo, excused by a belief that you're under threat of censorship, adds zero value to the discussion.

It is not a belief unfortunately. We’ve all been through it.

Just look at /pol/ as an example of what happens when you censor too much and they go into their own dwelling. Most memes including trump/trump 2 started as a direct result of /pol/, the killing of Harambe, and gamergate. Zoey Quinn got trump elected twice. Let them say what they want to say here or they get meme magic which literally destroys human civilization over time.

I'm American, and I've been working alongside a professional staff that is ~90% brilliant foreign researchers and software developers for 15+ years of my career. I would not characterize this as "a problem." It's only a problem to Americans who feel they are somehow owed these jobs due to where they were born.

Thank you for saying this - foreign people who come to the US generally speaking seem much more willing to work hard than Americans who were born there.

Privileged take. I’ve been unemployed for years now and am “brilliant” (hah) compared to most people in tech. You might feel differently if you experienced that and have also have seen entire floors of foreign nationals working at a tech company twenty years ago. Not all of them can be geniuses.

I don’t begrudge individuals but the system is broken. Refusal to train (times explosion of stacks) is another facet.


It's hard to convey to today's generation, who think Ivy Bridge to Haswell was a big jump or whatever, how awesome the 286 -> 386 -> 486 changes were to personal computing. It felt almost like what going from a NES to a Super Nintendo to a N64 felt like. The improvements were astounding.

It wasn't a big jump, but it was a jump. Ivy Bridge lacks the instruction set required to run RHEL 10 [1]. The minimum supported microarchitecture level is x86-64-v3 and Ivy Bridge lacks AVX2 instructions.

[1]: https://docs.redhat.com/en/documentation/red_hat_enterprise_...


I'm surprised RHEL is requiring AVX2 models, they usually had some slack in processor requirements (though I'm sure not as big as Debian)


> why does it keep asking?

Why does any software keep asking you to do things you explicitly told them you don't want to do? Because it's in the software developer's best interest to get you to do them, not yours. We've gotten way past the point in software where we no longer expect the software to serve the user's interest and solve the user's problems. Now, the expectation is that the user gets nagged and coerced into serving the software's interest and solving the developers' problems.

EDIT: Looks like a developer confirmed this in a sibling comment already: It nags you because that solves their support problem.


We build Signal for everyone, and that includes a lot of people who are not as technologically literate as the average tech worker. For a lot of people, they don't even know they dismissed the notification permission prompt, they were just closing boxes. For them, the reminder is helpful and prevents them from experiencing missing notifications. Striking a balance between helping these people and annoying more technologically-literate users is very difficult, with compromises everywhere. We're just trying to make sure Signal works for people, nothing more.

Ask frequently but add a "don't ask again" option. Then everyone is happy.

Not really. A portion of users will randomly tap that just to get rid of the question. They don’t read.

The easiest way to experience that yourself is to set your device to a language you barely understand. You’ll find yourself dismissing dialogs just like all those illiterate normies.


Can you add a "tech-savvy user" mode, off-by-default, that opts out of these sort of reminders?

I think we're capable of finding it ourselves if you do.


Thanks for the reply. I know it feels noble to do it that way, and I admit I get dogmatic over this one principle: a computer should first and foremost obey the user. It shouldn't have its own agenda. It shouldn't second guess. It shouldn't "did you mean?" I command the computer, and the computer executes that command and then waits for the next command. If I command it to not display a particular output (notifications), then I expect it to never display them, full stop.

I don't see my computers as partners or helpful assistants or eager interns. I see them as tools for reliably performing computation, and I expect them to operate that way.

I fully understand that this means that fewer and fewer developers are "building their software for me" and I find that pretty disappointing.


Have you ever built and distributed communications software? This is a very common problem.

I'm sure everyone loves it when they accidentally press "Delete", and the app instantly deletes a thing forever without showing any confirmation dialog. After all, if the computer asked you to confirm it, it would mean it disobeyed your direct order!

HN truly never fails to make me laugh when it comes to discussing user experience.


I broadly sympathise, being a nerd myself also, but this just isn’t a way to build software for a general audience.

“Their support problem” is a regular person’s problem getting the software to work how they want. That frustrated them enough to complain about.

I don’t follow how it’s necessarily selfish for the developer to reduce that.

There certainly are selfish ways to reduce support load, like making it harder to ask for help at all. But this way seems like the right way: listen to users’ problems and act to avoid them.

If your remedy causes more pain and frustration than the status quo, you’ll end up with more support load, not less.

Sure it’s greyer when the developer’s trying to sell something, but what does Signal gain from pushing notifications on users?

This seems to be about making the software humane and forgiving—meeting users where they are, not tricking them into something they don’t want.


The Proton Drive app keeps asking me to turn on backups of photos and video. There is no option to say "don't ask again."

I guess they /want/ more storage to be used? Or is there a support issue they are trying to deal with?


They probably want to avoid situations where a customer turns off backups, then loses data and makes it the problem of support.

But it would be nice to have a "don't ask again" option regardless, even if it's hidden in settings.


Yes Google constantly asks me to backup my pictures to their platform No, I don't want this. But regularly when I go to my photos it'll pop up with a box asking and the default option is yes please back up. Sad.

You know you can just use a different picture app?

"Consent" has become this mystical foreign concept to software developers. If the world of computing was a night club, "Silicon Valley" would be that creepy guy who goes up to everyone asking "Do you want to dance? [YES | Ask Me Later]".

It's pretty shortsighted, bordering on intentionally obtuse, to insinuate that the only person that benefits from solving the support problem is the person on support.. Take the example of automatic backups others brought up in this thread. Are you really going to imply that there's zero benefit to the person who didn't lose their data because the app reminded them to turn backups on? I don't disagree that it could be improved with a simple "don't ask me again" style setting, but that doesn't change the fact that every time someone doesn't issue a support ticket, it's because they didn't run into an issue. Any effective solution to a support problem is mutually beneficial for the user as well as the support staff.

If a person says “no” to a prompt multiple times then either they aren’t reading it and never will or they definitely know they are not interested and at some point it needs to stop.

At some point it is just not beneficial anymore.


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